Sunday, February 28, 2010

Housing in Paris, Part 1: Foyer

Since our arrival in September until now, we have lived in a foyer in the 13th district of Paris, Foyer Masséna, part of the CLJT. There really isn’t a good translation of foyer, because, as far as I know, there is nothing like this in the US. The closest comparison is a dorm, because there is a lot of collectivity. We have a 15m2 room with a sink, and there is one bathroom (3 toilets and 3 showers- coed!) per floor. We also share a tiny kitchen with the other 100 some residents.

However, it is far from being a dorm because it is not connected to a university and accept young people aged 18-25 (with some flexibility) from all over the world. Some foyers are just for students, some just for girls, and some just for workers. Ours is a foyer for jeunes travailleurs, étudiants, et stagaires (young workers, students, and interns). Some foyers only have single rooms, and ours, of course, has rooms for couples.


Pictures of our room, taken around Christmas:







Tomorrow we are moving to a studio. We are very excited to be moving, because life in this foyer has become borderline unbearable. I must add that our frustration is related more to specific circumstances than general foyer life. Let me explain. When we applied to live here, we were told that the bathroom and kitchen were collective, but that they were renovating a new, nice, better building in central Paris and that everyone would be moving to the new place in December. December.

Tomorrow is March 1 and we are still here. The move was delayed until January, and then February, and then March. What’s worse than sharing a bathroom and kitchen is that the cafeteria (which served dinner Monday-Friday) stopped last month in anticipation of the move. We never bought a fridge because one was supposed to be included in the new room at the new foyer. In addition, it seems that the direction here has lost interest in the conditions of this foyer, “knowing” we’ll be moving soon. Among other problems, there is rarely toilet paper in the bathrooms and the Internet goes out on the weekends when the staff isn’t here to reboot it. If we knew 100% for sure that we would be moving to the dream foyer in March, we would be sticking with foyer life. Yet, we have very little faith in them now.

We did live here for nearly 6 months, though, and I thought it might be helpful to future students and English assistants if I gave a quick bilan of the advantages and disadvantages of living in a foyer- not specifically this one which is falling apart. Of course, not all foyers are the same, so if you are considering applying to live in one, ask a lot of questions!

Advantages

• It’s easy. I mean that it’s easy to apply to live in a foyer compared to the nightmare of trying to find an apartment in Paris. Affordable and decent housing is a big problem in Paris, especially for students, since there aren’t dorms like in the US. I was afraid of coming to Paris (at the same time as tons of students) without a place to live. I know other assistants who didn’t find a place for two weeks or more. Others found a temporary place, but had to do the search all over again after a month or two. Finding an apartment or studio here takes time, energy, and MONEY. For our foyer, we had to give a security deposit (une caution/ une garantie) equal to the amount of one month’s rent (le loyer). But with apartments, when you use an agency, you have to pay a deposit of one or two month’s rent, first month’s rent, and often agency fees (honoraries) that are at least the amount of one month’s rent. So, if you found a place for 650 euros/month, you may have to pay 2000 euros or more. Also, you usually have to have a co-signer (garant) if you don’t make 3 TIMES the amount of the rent. You also have to have all kinds of paperwork that you probably don’t have in the first week of arriving.

• It’s probably cheaper than any apartment or studio you’ll find in Paris. But, I guess you get what you pay for….

• There are (for our foyer at least) planned activities that are usually free. Tom often played badminton and volleyball. I did a few cooking workshops which were fun.

• The staff members are usually helpful with questions about housing assistance, bank accounts, and where to find things in the neighborhood.

• It’s a good way to meet people- if you’re outgoing and enjoy the activities proposed.

• It’s international, which maybe 50% French and 50% foreigners from the US, northern Africa, Italy, Spain, Latin America…. I think other foyers are mostly non-French. Not sure.

Disadvantages

• Sharing a bathroom (again, some foyers have rooms with private bathrooms). This wouldn’t be so bad if some people here weren’t so disgusting! Gross.

• At this foyer, there is no Wi-Fi and Internet is only accessible in… you guessed it, in a common room, only open from 9am-midnight. You have to have a cord and there is a limited number of spots- perhaps 8 for more than 100 people that live here!

• There are too many Americans. A disadvantage? Yes, when one wants to learn French.

• A particular disadvantage for us: we are perhaps on the older end of the age range here and are married. We are also not so much into partying in the “college” way. Therefore, it was actually difficult to make friends here, due to a lack of common interests I suppose. Going from having our own place to living in a dorm-like place has been tough and sometimes made me feel like I was being treated like a child.

• The building is simply not very attractive.

• Some foyers (not ours) have a curfew and don’t allow overnight guests. This may mostly apply to the all girl foyers.

So, there you have it. Generally for students and English assistants, I would recommend living in a foyer if you are single and are used to living in a dorm. If not, some adjustment is required. I would in general recommend the association that our foyer belongs to, CLJT, but not this specific foyer, unless they actually do move to the apparently inexistent foyer in St. Lazare (9th district). And remember to ask a lot of questions! It also could be a temporary solution. You have to give a month’s notice before leaving, though.

We are moving tomorrow to a studio, only slightly bigger but with a kitchen and shower and the possibility of Wi-Fi. The toilet is in the hall (not uncommon here) and is shared with one other studio. I think it will be a vast improvement, but I’m hoping not to run into any unexpected problems. I will keep you posted.

10 comments:

  1. hullo! I came across your blog while researching the french assistantship, and i was wondering if you had any insight on logistics of doing the assistantship with a significant other studying French? I was wondering about how hard it would be (or the timeline) to get visas for the "student" after knowing where you're going to be placed in France... It seems wonderful that you've been able to do it! Really enjoying your posts- it's so nice to get inside information on the French system!

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  2. Hi Julia. I'm not sure if you looked at my earliest posts or not, but a good starting point may be here: http://nouveaux-yeux.blogspot.com/2009/09/applying-to-be-assistante-danglais.html

    It was really quite a headache to try to coordinate everything and make sure we would be in the same part of France! It depends on what kind of program your significant other wants, but Paris was the best placement for us, as there are a lot of options for studies and there is good public transportation. Feel free to ask any specific questions you have! (katherine.ayers@gmail.com)

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  3. oh thank you! this helps immensely! I had wandered through the blog previously, but hadn't found this post. I'm so excited to apply- dreaming of living there again!

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  4. Hi! I don't suppose you'll get this as the blog is quite old now..but I am looking to go to Paris for my year abroad and was wondering - how did you apply to the foyer and how far in advance?? By post 6 months before, or by email just a week before? I can't find that sort of thing on the websites! Thanks!

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  5. Hi Harolyn. We found the application forms on their website: http://www.cljt.com/cljt/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=23

    There are several CLJT foyers in Paris. Ours thankfully no longer exists. The one we would have moved to if we stuck it out is at Saint Lazare. We visited a friend there and it is much nicer.

    I believe we applied a few months in advance, but I think it's generally the earlier the better to make sure you reserve a room. We emailed for information but had to mail documents by the post I think. If you're interested in CLJT, you should click on the specific foyer you're interested in, find their email address and start there.

    Bon courage!

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  6. Hi Katie, how are you?
    I'm going to Paris by September to stay around 3 months for studing. Do you know if it's possible to rent a room in the CLJT Saint Lazare for this period? Most of the foyer that I found accept from 1 year on, do you know another places to live there for this short time?
    Also they say they have kitchenettes w/ kitchen and bathroom, do you know if it's true?
    And about security, do you think it's ok?
    I hope you could help me!
    Thanks a lot!
    Beatriz.

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  7. Hi Beatriz,
    You should email them directly to be sure. I think they respond pretty quickly. When we were there, month by month was possible, as long as you give a month notice before you leave. Yes, I believe Saint Lazare has private bathrooms and a kitchenette. I always felt safe.
    Good luck! Have fun in the best city ever!

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  8. Such a helping post i always try to find out this types of blogs for my knowledge and work .Thanks for your housing sulotion many people think about it ...


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  9. Hi! I know this post is really old, but I'll be living in a foyer in Paris for the fall semester, so I have a question. I guess my biggest fear is the shared bathrooms. Do they have shower curtains??

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    1. haha, yes, normally that won't be a problem ;)

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